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Topic: Albatros radiators
Posted By: NickForder
Subject: Albatros radiators
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 08:40
According to the Windsock Datafile on the Albatros DIII, the movement of the radiator from the centre of the upper wing to starboard (to improve visibility and reduce the chance of the pilot being covered in boiling water following a radiator leak/ damage) was from D2200/17 onwards.
D2200/17 was mid first production batch (given in the same publication as D1910-2309/16*; some 400 aircraft ordered October 1916).
The two Albatros DIII scouts with FA300 in Palestine were D636/17 (shot down and oft photographed, usually without the radiator fitted, but there is an obvious hole in the starboard wing centre section where the radiator was fitted) and D2174/17.
Assuming the Datafile is accurate, does this mean that D2174/17 had a centrally mounted radiator ? Does anyone know of a photo that shows this ?
Equally, I would be very interested in details of the 'enlarged' radiators fitted to D2174/17 and D636/17; the fact that this was soon removed from the latter suggests that someone undertook a survey of it and so, presumably, there is an intelligence report on it somewhere ?
*Either this is a typo, or was it that the serial marked on the aircraft was the year of delivery irrespective of the year of order ?

Posted By: NickForder
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 08:57
Albatros DIII 636/17, FA300, had a single upper wing radiator, whuich was either enlarged to stand proud of the upper surface of the wing or was fitted with a sand filter (confirmation of which would be appreciated). It was orded in feb 1917 and delivered in July 1917.
2174/17, FA300, was similar.
Halberstadt DV scouts supplied to Turkey, and presumably the two that replaced the Fokker Eindeckers in FA300 (227 413/16 & 229 415/16), were fitted with fuselage side radiators in addition to the upper wing radiator. No photos of these FA300 aircraft are known to exist. The Windsock datafile on Halberstadt Fighters claims that other aircraft, supplied to Turkey, were used by Pasha units. I have found no evidence to support this claim.
16 Albatros DIII delivered in September and October 1917 for FA301-304b, and the Flugpark, (2 scouts to each FA) were fitetd with twin radiators in the upper wing. Presumably these were all OAW built aircraft, ordered after 1 April 1917. No photos of these aircraft are known to exist, other than burned out wreckage.
Due to the problems with the Albatros DVa, the DIII was heavily used, and none survived to join the Turkish air force in 1920, or are noted as captured (the Turks had 7 Albatros DIII scouts in 1920, all of which had been supplied direct to them and not via the Pascha Flugpark)
Jasta 55/ Jasta 1F was equipped with Albatros DVa scouts (not DV as some sources claim), all of which were supplied with twin radiators in the upper wing. It is assumed that these were modified after having been grounded following the wing failure of the CO's aircraft. Whether they received uprated Mercedes DIIIa high compression pistons (of which 1500 were available each month from March 1918 for retro fitting is unknown). Three DVa scouts were taken over by the Turks from Park Pascha - 7409/17 (AKD33), 7445/17 (AKD34) and an unidentified aircraft.
It is unclear still how the Jasta 1F Pfalz DIIIa scouts were modified for tropical use, but twin upper radiators would seem likely. No photos of these aircraft are known to exist, but four aircraft (1358/18, 1359/18, 1362/18 & 7409) survived to join the Turkish air force postwar.
Despite oft repeated claims to the contrary, there appears to be no evidence that the FA300 Rumpler C1 two seaters had enlarged radiators. The surviving aircraft were handed over to the Turks when no equipment arrived, and so it may be possible that the aircraft were modified later, by the Turks.
The AEG CIV was the main equipment of FA301-304b, and a number were supplied to Turkey. These aircraft had welded steel tube fuselages which caused significant maintenance problems due to the lack of welding equipment in Turkey, let alone Palestine.
C7050-7124/17 were ordered in July 1917, with 25 aircraft being delivered to Turkey. All this batch had an enlarged radiator for tropical use.
A further eight aircraft, serials unknown, were ordered in December 1917, again with larger radiators.
In February 1918 a further 12 AEGs were ordered, C1100-1111/18, again with large radiators. These may have been for FA305, which arrived in Palestine in February 1918.
The Turkish air force aircraft were C7058-C7092/17 (number AEG1 - 32), plus C7107-7211/17 & C7027/17 (16 aircraft) supplied as engineless spares. In addition, in November 1917, Flugpark Pascha supplied C7066/17 and C7068/17 to the Turkish 13 TyBl.
FA301-304b each was intended to have six aircraft, with a further 4 as spares with the Flugpark. All these aircraft were delivered in September/October 1917.
The only known aircraft serials are all from the May 1917 C4800-4899/17 order, and all served with FA304b (4802/17, 4804/17 & 4875/17).
8 AEGs were lost en route.
Additional losses are noted as :
25.9.1917; 15.10.1917; 17.11.1917 (x2); 2.1.1918 (x5); 12.1.1918 & 17.1.1918

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