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Topic: Help identify these men
Posted By: John-G
Subject: Help identify these men
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 19:56
I would like to identify these men.  I know that the chap sitting in the middle front row is S.S.B. Purves.  The reverse has some names but I cannot make all of them out. Any help appreciated.  The photograph is dated 09/04/17.
 
H Grimwood 22 Manchest Regt mia 14/03/17, R C G Foster Royal West Surrey Regt mia 14/03/17, C F Lodge 1/8 Worcester Regt mia 17/3/17, S S B Purves mia 19/03/17.
 
Cheers
HickJ
 
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Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 14 May 2009 at 19:58
Rear of card.
 


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Posted By: Kass
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 01:31
I believe one belongs to:
 
Name:   CROSS, RUSSELL WILFRED (signed as Buster)
Regimental number(s):  14723
Reference:  RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 2168 - 3
Date of Birth: 1892
 
Attestation paper (address agrees):
 
Front:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=data2.archives.ca/cef/gat1/064305a.gif&id_nbr=126954 - http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=data2.archives.ca/cef/gat1/064305a.gif&id_nbr=126954
Back:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=data2.archives.ca/cef/gat1/064305b.gif&id_nbr=126954 - http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=data2.archives.ca/cef/gat1/064305b.gif&id_nbr=126954
 
1911 Census:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=33062 - http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=33062
 
Cheers,
Karen


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 06:48
Hi Kass
 
Thanks very much I will check him out. Two down the rest to go.
 
HuckJ
 
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Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 16 May 2009 at 23:48
Kass,
 
Strage is 4th left back row so 5th left back row is Cross.
 
HuckJ


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Posted By: Kass
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 01:46
Hi,
The last 2 signatures are difficult to make out. Through the 1910 Edinburgh phone book and several guesses, I found a James H Thin living at 2 Chalmers Cres. Looking at the family on the 1901 Census (at the same address), they have a son named James A. Thin.  I believe this may be your man.  Here is the medal card:
 
 
Regards,
Karen


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 06:32
Hi Kass,
 
I agree with you I think this is the right man, many thanks.
 
HuckJ


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Posted By: On Patrol
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 08:26

The signatures are indeed difficult to make out. Let’s see what you and others think. Can you say in which camp the photo was taken? Not Holzminden, I think.

Regards,

Patrick

 In order, Here is what my records suggest:

 Lieut. Herbert GRIMWOOD, 22/Manchesters, POW 14.3.17. Mentioned in Hugh Kingsmill, Behind Both Lines, and Phillimore, G. W. P. (Lord Phillimore) Recollections Of A Prisoner Of War. Participated in a breakout from Schweidnitz.

2/Lt. Russell Wilfred CROSS, pilot, 11 Sqn., POW 17.3.17, FE2b 7695. His observer was Lieut. C. F. Lodge (see below).

Capt. R .C .Q. FOSTER, 17/R. West Surreys, POW 14.3.17.

Lieut. C. F. LODGE, observer, POW with Cross on 17.3.17.

2/Lt. L. A. T. STRANGE, pilot, 11 Sqn., POW 31.3.17, FE2b 7691. His observer shot in the air and DOW.

2/Lt. J. M. LAMB, 8/East Yorks, POW 15.3.17.

2/Lt. J. A. THIN, 5 Corps Cavalry, POW 22.3.17 (Probably same man as Karen's post)

2/Lt. Stanley Stuart Beattie PURVES, Yeo. & RFC, pilot, 19 Sqn., POW 19.3.17, Holzminden escape, etc.

 

 



Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 09:13
Hi Patrick,

I agree with all your comments on the above.  I believe the photograph was taken at Karlsruhe by a Fritz Albrecht and is dated 9 April 1917.  As you note all were taken prisoner around the same time.  My main interest is the chaps from the RFC but as I have the names of the others it would be nice now to identify who is who.

 

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Posted By: Kass
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 15:00
Patrick - you unlocked the final man!
 
Name: John Martindell Lamb
Birth Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896 
District: Patrington 
County: Yorkshire - East Riding 
Volume: 9d  Page: 323 
 
In both 1901 and 1911 census, he is living with his parents
Richard Martin Lamb, Clergyman, Church of England and Edith Marion Lamb
The Rectory, Burton Pidsea
 


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 16:38
Hi
He is the man I am after.  The problem is which one is he?
 
HickJ
 


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Posted By: Kass
Date Posted: 17 May 2009 at 20:23

I'm not sure if you have the info on the 3 remaining signatures.  So, I may be duplicating information.

Foster, Romney Claude Godwin
Birth: Transvaal, Johannesburg
 
In 1901, he is living at Parish Nook, Clay Hill, Enfield, Middlesex with his parents, Arthur Livingston Foster (Managing Director of Anglican (Transvaal) Mining & Finance Company, 1901) & Emma Marie
I could not locate him in 1911, but his parents are living at Chartwaye, Limpsfield, Godstone in Surrey.
 
 
Lodge, Christopher Fyers
Birth Registration: Apr-May-Jun  1893 
District: Honiton  County: Devon 
Volume: 5b  Page: 31 
 
I believe they can be found at Southend, Paignton, Devon with his parents:
Nesbett B (Clergyman Church of England, retired Naval Instructor Royal Navy) & Alice
 
 
Purves, Stanley Stuart Beattie

I have limitted access to Scotish records. I can only find a Thomas Purves in Kirkcaldy, Fife -> Thomas Purves, 27, Boarder, Draper's Assitant. It doesn't say if he is married.

 
Grimwood, Herbert
 
Unfortunately, I could not locate his medal card.
 
The 1914 directory for Leverstock Green has a listing for the firm Grimwood, Morse & Mortimer, Market gardeners, French gardens. A researcher, Barbara Chapman, for Leverstock Green notes the following:
 
HERBERT GRIMWOOD 1875~1929

Herbert Grimwood, star of stage and the silent moovie came to live in Leverstock Green sometime before 1914.  On returning to the village after the war, bearing the rank of Captain, he organised some entertainment to help raise funds for the much needed Parish Room.  In this he involved many of his West End contemporaries, so that for a short time in 1919, numerous well-known names from the London theatre, gave their time and expertese in order to help our village.

From this, I have derrived:
Birth: Mar. 7, 1875    County: Essex, Greater London  Volume: 4a  Page: 113
Death: Dec. 1, 1929 Burial: Hollywood Forever, Hollywood, CA
 
I do have 3 identified photos that I will post next. This may help with the identifications.
 
Regards,
Karen
 


Posted By: Kass
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 00:39
Darn, there doesn't seem to be a photo with the RAeC ticket for Cross. I can not find a card for Purves.  Consequently, I only have 2 photos:
 
Leslie A.T. Strange
 
Grimwood, Herbert 1919
 
Sorry I couldn't find more.
K


Posted By: On Patrol
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 03:07
Front row: Foster, Purves, Unknown
Back row: Unknown, Unknown, Grimwood, Strange, Cross

What say you, Karen? Hickj?
What is needed is an observer's badge. 


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 07:32
Kass,
 

First thanks for all your effort.

 

1               R C G Foster I think you have the right man.

2               C F Lodge Right man.

3                S S B Purves no argument which one he is I have other photos to confirm home from his family.

4               H Grimwood the address is spot on.  Looking at the photo I suggest that he could be chap front row first left, Grimwood was a Captain and this chap has a Captains rank on his cuffs, although I have not been able to identify home via his shoulder badges.

5              A T Strange you are correct with this one.

6                     Cross not sure which one he is.  On re-checking the names and addresses yesterday there are four men with RFC associations.  Lodge, Cross, Purves and Strange.                     The only two who have been defiantly named and identified are Purves and Strange.  There are no RAeC records for Lodge and Cross .

 

Regards

 

HUCKJ



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Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 07:34

Kass and Newbie

 

First thanks for all your efforts.

 

1               R C G Foster I think you have the right man.

2               C F Lodge Right man.

3                S S B Purves no argument which one he is I have other photos to confirm home from his family.

4               H Grimwood the address is spot on.  Looking at the photo I suggest that he could be chap front row first left, Grimwood was a Captain and this chap has a Captains rank on his cuffs, although I have not been able to identify home via his shoulder badges.

5              A T Strange you are correct with this one.

6                     Cross not sure which one he is.  On re-checking the names and addresses yesterday there are four men with RFC associations.  Lodge, Cross, Purves and Strange.                     The only two who have been defiantly named and identified are Purves and Strange.  There are no RAeC records for Lodge and Cross .

 

Regards

 

HUCKJ



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Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 07:58
Kass and On Patrol,
 
Forgot to say I spent some time trying to identify who was who by there badges but am not able to get very clear views of them just a general shape.
 
HuckJ
 
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Posted By: On Patrol
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 21:40
Here is my reasoning for placing Foster seated left: Foster was the only man in the group who was a Captain when captured. Grimwood was a Lieutenant. Foster was the only decorated officer of the bunch and he appears to be wearing an M.C. ribbon. As to placing Grimwood middle back, I took a long shot. He looks to be the oldest man in the photo and Karen has revealed his birth year to be 1875.  There are only three pilots in the group each of them wearing pilot's wings. Comparing Strange's RAeC pic with the group photo places him back fourth right, leaving Cross nowhere to stand except back far right. Your reaction, please. Patrick


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 21:47

Patrick,

At this point in time I think yours is the most plausible explanition.  I really would like to find some more photographs of these men; it would make life a bit easier!

 

HuckJ

 

 



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Posted By: Roland G Adams
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2009 at 14:23

If J A Thin came from Edinburgh then perhaps he was part of the family that had the bookshop on George Street, Edinburgh.  This was a long established Edinburgh bookshop - only sold to Waterstones about 8 years ago.  There must be some of the "Thin bookshop dynasty" in Edinburgh still I imagine.  Hope this tit-bit helps your research.

 
Roland G. Adams


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2009 at 16:50
Many thanks it might be worth following up.
 
HuckJ


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