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    Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 16:17
can anybody tell me how long after the armistice the S.E.5a remained in RAF service,
and with which squadrons.
I have tried standard works, like Harald Penrose but it doesn't get a mention after 1918 and I feel sure that it lingered on a bit after that.
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81 Squadron seemed to have been the last to receive the SE5a, replacing its Dolphins in March 1919 and keeping the SE until disbandment towards the end of Jan 1920.
 
Next in line are those units who operated the SE until August 1919 :
29 Squadron (from April 1918)
84 Squadron (from August 1917)
92 Squadron (from May 1918)
 
63 Squadron used the SE5a Feb to April 1919
32 Squadron until March 1919 (from Dec 1917)
 
The following operated the type until Feb 1919 :
1 Squadron (from Jan 1918)
30 Squadron (from Jan 1919)
40 Squadron (from October 1917)
41 Squadron (from Nov 1917)
56 Squadron (from June 1917)
64 Squadron (from Jan 1918)
72 Squadron (from March 1918)
74 Squadron (from March 1918)
85 Squadron (from May 1918)
145 Squadron (from August 1918)
150 Squadron (from April 1918)
 
For completeness, that leaves :
17 Squadron (Dec 1917-April 1918)
37 Squadron (May 1918 - July 1918)
47 Squadron (Nov 1917-April 1918)
61 Squadron (Dec 1917 - July 1918)
68 Squadron (Jan 1918)
89 Squadron (July 1918)
94 Squadron (September 1918 - Jan 1919)
111 Squadron (October 1917 - Jan 1919)
143 Squadron (March 1918 - August 1918)
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Thanks for that Nick.
as usual you have come up with all the information I need.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul R Hare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2012 at 08:16
Hi Nick,
can you confirm that it was 81 squadron, a list of RAF squadrons has that one disbanded in 1918.
 
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Hello Paul
I should have quoted the reference which was Jeff Jefford's "RAF Squadrons".
 
I'll see about rechecking it today and post a more comprehensive extract.
 
I believe that the Australians, Canadians & South Africans (?) flew the SE5a after the RAF had stopped.
 
Presumably these were Imperial gifts, and all covered in detail in the Air-Britain SE5/%a File ?
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Thanks Nick,
I have got all I need on use by foriegn countries, both those in the then empire and the USA (amongst others!) but information on the post war RAF seems scarce ( which probably means that I am not looking in the right place!)
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http://www.81squadron.com says service until 1920
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well they should know!
I think most sources have missed the 1919 reformation and just recorded the disbanding in 1918.
Thanks again for your help.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2012 at 08:18
I think that the issue with 81 Squadron was that it was reformed on 25.11.1918 as 81 Squadron/ 1 Squadron, Canadian Air Force, and then disbanded. This may well be why it doesn't appear in some lists as an SE5a user, and the 1919-1920 brief service doesn't appear at all !
 
Lake has E5755 has one of the SEs on strength, together with a Fokker DVII !
 
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Aircraft with serials in the range 1 to H9999 in service after 1 January 1920
 
SE5b A8947 RAE 1.1920. EF FTL crashed through hedge, Guildford, 27.1.1921
 
B600 RAE for manoevrability tests without dihedral on tailplane 1.1920-6.12.1921
 
C1063 RAE 1.1920. EF FTL Laffains Plain 17.3.1920
 
C1091 RAE (Viper with Variable Pitch airscrew). Became G-EBQQ. Crashed Brooklands 9.11.1928
 
C1148 RAE (VP airscrew) 1.1920. FTL Epsom 10.3.1920. Returned to Farnborough by 19.3.1920. Last flow 2.7.1923
 
D203 RAE (Dolphin type rudder etc). Exhaust & silencer tests 3.1918-8.11.1923
 
D314 RAE 1.1920-4.3.1920
 
D7016 MAEE Grain. RAE 30.11.1920-14.8.1922. Became G-EBPA. WFU 4.1928
 
D7018 RAE 8.1919. Last flow 13.3.1925
 
D7019 RAE 29.3.1920-6.1923
 
D7020 RAE 28.4.1920-24.6.1926. G-EBQM. WFU 11.1930
 
D7021 RAE 9.4.1920. Crashed on landing, Farnborough, 27.8.1920
 
D7022 RAE 7.1921-27.10.1922. Standard dihedral, comparison with B600. G-EBPD. Written off 27.4.1927
 
D7023 CFS. RAE 26.11.1920-3.1924
 
D8472 Imperial Gift to Canada. G-CYBJ. TOC 29.9.1920. SOC 30.4.1926
 
D8476 Imperial Gift to Australia A2-13
 
D8479 Imperial Gift to Canada G-CYBE TOC 10.9.1920. SOC 25.2.1929
 
D8487 Imperial Gift to Canada G-CYBQ TOC 12.10.1920 SOC 8.3.1922
 
D8489 Imperial Gift to Canada G-CYBE TOC 16.12.1920 
 
D8490 Imperial Gift to Australia A2-19
 
E3167 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
E3169 Imperial Gift to Australia A2-6
 
E3172 Imperial Gift to Canada G-CYAB TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
E3173 Imperial Gift to Canada G-CYBX TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
E5923 AEE (Mod control surfaces) RAE 17.6.1919 (mod control surfaces) comparison with D7018
and SE5b A8947. AEE 7.8.1920
 
E5927 3AAP Norwich. RAe 16.7.1919-10.1925 (Fire extinguisher trials, later exhaust muff heater). FTL on speed course during test flying 12.7.1921
 
F937 G-EBIB Savage Skywriter. Science Museum
 
F938 G-EBIC Savage Skywriter. RAF Musuem
 
F7733 - F7779 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7781-F7785 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7787 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7792 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7793 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7796 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7799 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F7800 Imperial Gift to South Africa
 
F9016 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYBP TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
F9114 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYAY TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
F9117 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYCE TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
F9128 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYCC TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
F9136 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYCQ TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
F9139 Imperial Gift to Canada, G-CYCV TOC 18.6.1920 SOC 25.2.1929
 
The Table of Non-Obsolete Aircraft on RAF Charge on 31 December 1919 does not include the SE5a
 
Ref : RAF Aircraft J1-J9999 and WW1 Survivors, Air-Britain
 
 
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