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    Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 14:53
More and yet more thanks Rob.  This is great - and I wondered if this would be enough info to order the documents online, so thanks for confirming that for me.

I have had to scan the scroll in sections, but they will be on their way to you in the next few minutes.

Kind regards, Joy

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Hi Joy,
The standard First World War RAF service record is two pages long and usually contains the following information: -
 
Service Number.
Name.
Date and place of birth.
Date of enlistment and terms of service.
Civilian occupation.
Marriage details if married.
Next of kin.
Description on enlistment, ie height, hair colour etc.
Date of discharge.
Home address at time of discharge.
Promotions and Appointments.
Medals awarded and dates of service overseas.
Postings, ie Units served with.
 
Please note, the record will only show his postings from 1 April 1918, the date the RAF was formed.
 
You can order copies of documents via the National Archives website using their Digital Express Copy service. If your prepared to pay £8.50 they will take a digital photo of the document requested (up to 8 pages) and send it to you by email.
 
The information they would need is the document referance number, ie AIR79/132, and exactly what it is you want copying, ie all pages of the service record of 10460 G.W. Wingrove.
 
Hope this helps. I'll see if I can find your Grandfather's service number.
I'd love a copy of your Wireless Detachment Scroll if thats ok.
 
All the best,
 
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Rob you are an absolute star!  If his service record is there I presume it will give me details of what/where/when he did what during those terrible years.

Thank you so much for this - after so many brick walls I'm just astounded.  I had given up hope of ever finding any personal data.  Any chance you could weave that same magic to find details my Grandfather George (B?) Wingrove?  He probably joined up at the same time.

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Hi Joy,

 

Administrative Wing R.F.C. Daily Routine Orders 16 Aug – 30 Oct 1915 (AIR1/2173/209/13/3) states: -

 

Recruits enlisted under the Special Army Order 4th August 1914: -

10460. 2/AM. Wingrove G.W. Attested 19/10/15. Joined 20/10/15.

Clerk for Telegraphist Learner. Rated 2/-.

(The Special Army Order 4th August 1914 allowed men to join for the duration of the war. His civilian trade was Clerk).

 

The Royal Air Force 1 April 1918 Muster Roll (AIR10/237) states: -

 

Air Force No: 10460

Name: Wingrove, G.W.

R.N.A.S. or R.F.C. Trade Classification: Wireless Operator.

Remustered to Air Force Trade Classification: Wireless Operator.

R.N.A.S. Rating or R.F.C. Rank or Appointment: Air Mechanic 1.

New Rank in Air Force: Air Mechanic 1.

Date of Joining: 19 October 1915. (This means date Attested/Enlisted)

Date of Last Promotion: 1 July 1917.

Normal Rate Air Force Pay: 4s 0d.

Terms of Enlistment: Duration of War.

 

His Service Record will be held at the National Archives in AIR79/132.

 

Hope this helps,

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoyP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 17:00
Hi Peter - I'm pretty sure I searched the Air 79 index in Air 78 last time I was at Kew but to no avail.  I've just tried another search online, by name and by service no. but that came up with nothing too.  I'll take another look when I go again, but that's not likely to be all that soon.

Many thanks for so much thought and the suggestion though.

Kind regards, Joy
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WrightBrother Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 14:45
Joy,  The article I listed earlier is about the original wireless sqdn, so that is too early.  Your father was a Sergeant having three stripes. As you are his daughter, you are fully entitled to have a copy of his Service Record from RAF Records. I am not certain they are still based at RAF Innsworth in Glos, but try to contact this section. You will most likely have to provide a copy of your birth cert and pay a fee. He should be listed in the Other Ranks Service Records at the NA, under classification AIR 79. I hope some of this will help you.      Peter Wright. 
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Hello Peter - many thanks for this contribution.  I'd be happy to buy anything useful, but I have a copy of the work by AC Peter Dye that this article is probably based on entitled:  No.9 (Wireless) Sqdn 1914-1915

In it he states that:

 

“9 (Wireless) Squadron was formally disbanded in France on 22 March 1915… Capt Dowding, …, returned to England to form the cadre of a new 9 Squadron at Brooklands.”

 

I believe my father joined the new unit, as I have a picture of it dated 1916, and it's that new unit I'm  interested in.  However – I cannot discover anything further about the new unit or its deployments.  Do you know if the article covers this, or is it just on the original Sqn?

Many thanks for any more help you can give.

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Joy,  In C&CI Journal Vol 30 No 4, there is an article entitled 'It's Good to Talk' covering No 9 (Wireless)Sqdn RFC, which was formed in France in December 1914.  Possibly your father was with this unit?
 
Copies of this issue are still available from the Sales Managers, 6 Cowper Road, Southgate, LONDON N14 5RP, at a very reasonable price.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoyP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:19
Hi Rob - he was George William Wingrove &  RAF No. is 10460

Many thanks for any help.  I don't know when he was demobbed - I assume 1918.  The date on the medal forms  493 is 20. 7. 21

My grandfather was also in the RFC and survived the war, another George Wingrove (but possibly listed with initial B) but I have no service number for him.

I have scanned the Wireless Detachment scroll (about 300 men) as it is deteriorating now, and will be happy to send copies to anyone who has a connection to or interest in the unit.

Regards - Joy
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