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    Posted: 01 Nov 2009 at 17:40

Hi all,

 

I have a photo of a crashed AVRO 504A with the pilot standing in front of it.

The aeroplanes serial number is A526.

On the back of the photo is written:

 

Aeroplane smash at Cramlington Aerodrome, Northumberland.

December 6th 1916.

Pilot standing in centre of picture (Not hurt).

 

Can anyone identify the pilot?

 

I know the RAF museum holds casualty cards for this period, but you need a name to search them.

If anyone can identify the pilot or point me to records at the National Archives or RAF museum that might help, I would be most grateful.

 
Thanks, 
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Avro 504 A526 was with 63 Sqn at Raploch (Stirling) by 21.9.1916 and moved with the unit to Cramlington on 31.10.1916.
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Hi Mick,
 
Thanks for the information.
63 Squadron makes sense because they went to Mesopotamia and two of the photo's that came with the one mentioned, were taken in Mesopotamia.
I also have a photo of AVRO 504A 'A559' taken at Cramlington.
 
Are you researching 504's or 63 Squadron because I would be happy to send you digital copies of the photo's.
 
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Hi Rob
 
I've been building up information on my native North East for years and would really appreciate copies of the images. I have A559 as being with 63 Sqn at Cramlington by 3.11.1916. A brief summary of the unit's home service is:
 

63 SQUADRON RFC

Bases

Formed at Raploch in 19th Wing 5.7.1916 with nucleus from 43 and 61 Squadrons. To Cramlington 31.10.1916. Establishment at 23.12.1916 set at BE2/AW + BE12 + Avro. Mobilised as a Corps squadron and embarked for Middle East 23.7.1917. Served in Mesopotamia and disbanded there 29.2.1920.

Commanding Officers

Major AC Boddam-Whetham from 11.8.1916 until 4.1917. Major JC Quinnell from 27.4.1917 until 21.10.1917.

Representative Aeroplanes (* shipped to Basra, Mesopotamia, in packing cases for use by the unit)

Airco DH2               7866.

Avro 504A              2914, 7727, 7728, 7957, 7967, 7980, 7981, A514, A515, A526, A544, A555, A557, A559, A1998, A1999, A2638,

AW FK3                  5512, 5514, 5517, 5526, 5544, A1496.

Bristol Scout D         7055, 7056.

RAF BE2b                2780.

RAF BE2c                2113, 2483, 2486, 2487, 2663, 4218, 5416.

RAF BE2d                6246, 6247, 6773.

RAF BE2e                7229, 7230, 7244, A1317, A1318, A1321, A1322, A1779, A1879, A1880.

RAF BE12               A4014, A4015, A4041.

RAF BE12a              A572, A6315.

RAF RE8                 A3461, A3500, A3556, A3557, A3558, A3567, A3568, A3570, A4334*, A4335*, A4336*, A4337*, A4338*, A4339*, A4340*, A4341*, A4342*, A4343*, A4344*, A4345*, A4346*, A4347*, A4348*, A4349*, A4350*, A4351*, A4352*, A4353*, A4354*, A4355*, A4356*, A4357*, A4601.

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Hi Mick,

Thanks for the information.
I'll get scanning as soon as possible. Please allow 4 to 5 weeks.
 
Do you have an email address I can send the images to?
My email address is RMPUGH@TISCALI.CO.UK
 
All the best,
 
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2nd Lieut. Frederic William Nisbet, 63 Squadron, Cramlington, Under Higher Instruction In Aviation


DATE

FLIGHT

AEROPLANE

TIME IN AIR

COURSE

REMARKS

WEATHER

1916



INSTRUCTOR

DUEL

SOLO













2 Dec

B

Avro 504a A514

Capt. Prothero, P.B.

25mins


Aerodrome

2 landings.

Very misty.

3 Dec

B

Avro 504a A557

Capt. Prothero, P.B.

15mins


Aerodrome

Clear and calm.

Fine. Afternoon too bumpy for instruction.


B

Avro 504a A555

Lt. MacRae, J.D.G.

15mins


Aerodrome

Clear and calm.

5 Dec

B

Avro 504a A557

Capt. Prothero, P.B.

15mins


Aerodrome

2000 ft.

Fine.


B

Avro 504 7980

2Lt. Fleming, F.J.S.

20mins


Aerodrome


Fine.


B

Avro 504a A2638



15mins

Aerodrome

2000 ft.

Fine.


B

Avro 504a A559

Lt. MacRae, J.D.G.

10mins


Aerodrome


Fine.

6 Dec

B

Avro 504a A526



30mins

Aerodrome

Crash. Engine failure.

Machine completely smashed.

Morning fine. Afternoon very misty.

8 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE2d 6246



10mins

Aerodrome

1 landing.

Morning misty. Afternoon fine.


C

R.A.F. BE2d 6246



35mins

Aerodrome

Wireless sending.


A

R.A.F. BE2e 6773

Maj. Conran, O.M.

20mins


Aerodrome

2 landings.


B

Avro 504 7980



50mins

Aerodrome

3 landings.

11 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE2d 6246



35mins

Aerodrome


Rain all day, except short interval midday.

12 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE2d 6246



1hr 15mins

Cross Country

Crashed at Widdrington Station 11/12/16.

Heavy rains with fine interval.

13 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE2c 2483



1hr

Aerodrome

6500 ft VP.

Fine, windy.


C

R.A.F. BE12 A4041



1hr 15mins

Aerodrome

7500 ft.


C

R.A.F. BE12 A4041



1hr

Aerodrome

8500 ft.


A

R.A.F. BE2e 7244



30mins

Aerodrome

2 forced landings.

14 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE12 A4041



1hr 40mins

Cross country

Berwick

3000 ft.

Violent storms with fine intervals.

15 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE12 A4014



55mins

Aerodrome

6000 ft. 6 Photos.

Fine all day.


C

R.A.F. BE12 A4014



1hr 30mins

Aerodrome

6000ft. Photos.


C

R.A.F. BE12 A4014



20mins

Aerodrome

4000 ft.


C

R.A.F. BE12 A4014



25mins

Aerodrome

3000 ft.

16 Dec

C

R.A.F. BE2c 2483



15mins

Aerodrome

2 night landings.

Morning fine. Afternoon rain.


C

R.A.F. BE2c 2483



20mins

Aerodrome

3000 ft. Photos.

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IN MEMORY OF FREDERIC WILLIAM NISBET
 
Frederic William Nisbet was born on 29 August 1897 at Sherington House, Grove Crescent, Kingston, Surrey. He was the youngest son of William Nisbet, a cloth merchant and Ellen Louise Nisbet formerly Guille. Frederic was educated at Shrewsbury House School, Surbiton and Marlborough College, Wiltshire (Sept 1911 - 3 April 1914), where he served as a Private in the College Officer Training Corps. On leaving Marlborough he took up an engineering apprenticeship with the Great Northern Railway Company at Doncaster.

 

Frederic Attested at Doncaster on 31 August 1914 for the term of 4 years, enlisting as a Trooper (No.2872) in the Queens Own Yorkshire Dragoons, Territorial Force. He was appointed a 2nd Lieutenant in the 2/1st Yorkshire Dragoons (Queens Own) Yeomanry, Territorial Force on 18 June 1915.

 

Instruction in aviation started at No.2 School of Military Aeronautics, Oxford on 11 September 1916 and progressed to the School of Instruction, Hendon on 29 October. Flying training started with 58 Squadron at Cramlington and in December Frederic was with 63 Squadron, also at Cramlington, undergoing higher instruction in aviation. On 15 December he was seconded to the Royal Flying Corps on appointment as a Flying Officer. He was posted to No.28 Reserve Squadron at Castle Bromwich, and on 7 February 1917 to the Expeditionary Force. Frederic was posted to No.46 Squadron on 10 February and only a few days later on 14 February 1917, was killed in a flying accident with his passenger 2AM Percy Edward Knightly (No.45071).
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From Phillip Bernard Prothero Air76,
63 Sqn 3/9/16 Flt Commander, T/Capt, by  30/11/16 to 56 Squadron.
 
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Hi John

Thanks for your reply. I assume you meant he was posted to 58 Squadron by 30/11/16?

I have already done some background research on PB Prothero when I was compiling Frederic Nisbet’s service history (still ongoing).

I have a photograph, which was taken at Cramlington, and I am certain that the man standing third from the left is Philip Prothero. If you compare it with his portrait on the Loretto School Roll of Honour website the likeness is uncanny. Apparently he always wore a kilt, even when flying.

 

Posted No.63 Squadron on Appointment as Flight Commander on 3 Sept 16.

Posted No.58 Squadron by 30 Nov 16.

Posted ‘D’ Squadron, Central Flying School by 30 Apr 17.

Posted ‘B’ Squadron, Central Flying School by 3 May 17.

Posted No.56 Squadron, Expeditionary Force on 11 May 17.

Killed in action on 26 Jul 17.
All the best,
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