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    Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 19:44
A certain JS Irving was employed at South Farnborough c1912. Could anyone confirm what his job title was at the factory?

He was, I believe, involved with engine testing, and would this have been the same man who was involved with the Irving Napier Special?
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He is listed as being in the "Engine and experimental" department in 1914.
As his name is first on the list of personnel in that department he was almost certainly in charge of it.
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Paul, many thanks for this info. I have also just found out that he is apparently listed on the 1911 Census as: 'Engineer at Balloon Factory - Engine Testing'.
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Extracts from: http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/John_Samuel_Irving

Captain John Samuel Irving (1880-1953)
1880 March 29th. Born at Manchester
1893-1900 Apprenticed at Fulwell Engineering Co
1900-01 With Daimler
1901 Living at 59 Paynes Lane, Coventry: Saml Irving (age 46 born Manchester), Cycle Maker - Own Account. With his wife Louisa Ann Irving (age 44 born Sydney, Australia) and their seven children; John Saml Irving (age 21 born Manchester), Cycle maker; Letitia Ellen Irving (age 17 born Coventry), Watch Finisher; Alice Grace Irving (age 14 born Birmingham), Watch Finisher; Henry Irving (age 12 born London); Harold Irving (age 9 born Ilkeston); Amy Irving (age 7 born Coventry); and Louisa Irving (age 7 born Coventry).
1901-04 Manager at Sam Robbins
1904-11 With Daimler
1911 A Boarder at Clairmount, Reading Road, Sth Farnborough: John Samuel Irving (age 31 born Manchester), Engineer at Balloon Factory - Engine Testing.
1911-1918 with Royal Aircraft Establishment
1918-27 With Sunbeam and became Chief Engineer in 1925

1954 Obituary
Captain John Samuel Irving, born in the spring of 1880, served a seven-year apprenticeship as a tool-maker thus laying the foundation of a career which was eminently of a practical nature.
At the age of twenty he became a depot manager for Messrs. Sam. Robbins of Rugby, one of the very early motor car dealers. He held that post for three years and then went over to the manufacturing side by joining the Daimler Company at Coventry where he was employed for most of the time on the testing of vehicles and as chief driving instructor.
Eight years later he was appointed as Chief Engine Development Engineer at the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, and three years later he became Technical Officer in the Royal Flying Corps and the Royal Air Force, attaining the rank of Captain.
At the age of thirty-nine he joined Mr. Louis Coatalen at the Sunbeam Motor Company, Ltd., Wolverhampton, and, as Chief Engineer, was responsible for the engine installations in H.M. Airships R33, R34, R37 and R38. Later he was in control of the Sunbeam racing and development programmes; this work included the Sunbeam car which achieved 207 m.p.h. at Daytona Beach, Florida, in 1927.

From Karl Ludwigsen Britons Aloft - Supercharging Aircraft.
http://www.academia.edu/17458098/Britons_Aloft_-_Aviation_Supercharing_in_and_After_the_Great_War

"Under its chief Mervyn O'Gorman the RAE first tackled engine design in 1912, basing its first effort on an existing Renault. Its chief engineer was Major Frederick Michael Green , under whom James Edward "Jimmy" Ellor worked on supercharging with the help of Henry Fowler and Captain John Samuel "Jack" Irving."

According to Anthony Heal's book Sunbeam Racing Cars Louis Coatalen sketched out a plan for the 1000HP Sunbeam that took the LSR to 200mph but Irving did the detailed design work and was later credited as designer of other racing Sunbeams before moving on the the Irving Napier "Golden Arrow". (Heal is good on the cars and races, not so interested in the personalities perhaps).
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Aha! So this was the same man. And it seems as though by 1912 he had probably attained the post of Chief Engine Development Engineer.

Thanks Morris for all these details.

Peter.

Edited by whiskymac - 06 Aug 2016 at 10:01
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