The Forum is administered separately from the rest of the website - please log in below to post
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Aden observer/pilots
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Aden observer/pilots

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345>
Author
NickForder View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Bolton
Status: Offline
Points: 1369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2015 at 10:03
  • South Persia
  • Service at or near Bushire with Major-General J.A. Douglas and Brigadier-General A. M. S. Elsmie from 12 November 1918 – 22 June 1919
  • Service at or near Bandar Abbas with Major-General Sir. P. Sykes or Lieutenant Colonel E.F. Orton from 12 November 1918 – 3 June 1919
  • Kurdistan
This clasp was awarded for the following:
  • At Kirburk or north of a line east and west through Kirburk between 23 May and 31 July 1919.
  • At Dohok or north of a line east and west through Dohok between 14 July and 7 October 1919.
  • North of the advanced bases near Akra and Amadia between 7 November and 6 December 1919.
The 1924 Army Order No. 387 and Army Instruction (India) No. 132 of 1925 extended this clasps eligibility requirements to cover operations in Kurdistan. These additional qualify periods are
  • Operations under Air Marshal Sir J.M. Salmond or Colonel Commandant B. Vincent between 19 March to 18 June 1923.
  • Operations under Commandant H.T. Dobbin between 27 March and 28 April 1923.
  • Iraq
This clasp was presented to those who satisfied one of the following conditions:
  • Served at Ramadi or north of a line east and west through Ramadi between 10 December 1919 and 13 June 1920.
  • Part of an establishment within Iraq between 1 July and 17 November 1920.
  • N.W. Persia
Awarded to members of Noperforce (North Persia Force) and those on various lines of communications serving under Brigadier-General H.F. Bateman-Champain in 1920.
Back to Top
Ian Burns View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 274
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ian Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2015 at 14:37
My Journal article Z UNIT, RAF, BRITISH SOMALILAND 1919-1920 covers the ground pretty comprehensively. See V38/2, 2007. Oh my, was it that long ago!

There was no direct interaction between the minimal force then in Aden and Z Unit in Somaliland.
Later from about 1922 on Somaliland was a 'rest' posting for a small unit of Bristol Fighters from Aden. The airfield was up in the mountains at Upper Sheikh.
More details of this will be in my V46/4 article on Aden.
Back to Top
Ian Burns View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 274
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ian Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2015 at 14:41
Those serving in Somaliland in 1920 received the African General Service medal with SOMALILAND 1920 clasp. Quite a rare clasp I believe, only about 150-200 were awarded.
Back to Top
NickForder View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Bolton
Status: Offline
Points: 1369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2015 at 09:59
Prior to the deployment of Z Force, there was a plan (by Major-General Sir AR Hoskins) to fight the Mullah with a force including 3 RAF squadrons and a flight of  Handley Page V/1500 bombers based at Aden. This was shelved as being too costly. Presumably no aircraft available at Aden had the range of the HPs ?
26 RAF officers and 189 ORs were landed by Ark Royal. These seem to have come from Egypt, with the choice of aircraft being interesting as, clearly, there was no inclination to send Biffs. In addition 750 King's African Rifles, 550 Camel Corps, 400 Indian troops and 1,500 Levies took part in the campaign.

Where did the Aden aircrew come from ?

Back to Top
Ian Burns View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 274
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ian Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2015 at 14:50
You've been reading my Somaliland article (V38/2)

The DH9's came from the UK, only two were from Egypt - there is a complete serial list in the article. Most of the officers and men came from Egypt.

Aden in 1920 may not have had any aircraft based there. There was a brief interregnum between two different versions of the Aden Flight. The Wartime Aden Flight finally disbanded later 1919 or early 1920.From August 1921 on until 8 Squadron arrived in 1927 there was a new Aden Flight of Bristol Fighters - from stocks in Egypt - based there.
It will all be explained, and illustrated, in V46/4.
Back to Top
NickForder View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Bolton
Status: Offline
Points: 1369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2015 at 09:47
There does seem to be some evidence that the aircrew (and, presumably, the ground crew) for the Middle East were administered as one body, and so could be drawn from units in Egypt & Mespot, for instance, for an additional deployment.
Also, there is movement between squadrons in the Middle East.
If the officers came from 31 & 114 Squadrons, did the other ranks come from the same source ?
Back to Top
Ian Burns View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 274
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ian Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2015 at 15:17
Again, not my area of expertise. Not that that has ever prevented me from expressing an opinion.

Egypt and the Red Sea militarily were controlled from Egypt. Whilst south of the Red Sea and to the east (including Aden and Mespot) were largely an Indian concern.
How much exchange and co-operation there was, or lacked, between the two commands would probably fill a book.

The Royal Navy as always went its own way.
Egypt, the Red Sea, the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf were all one command - the East Indies Station (This sometimes also included the eastern Mediterranean.). Hence, ships of the RN and Royal Indian Marine pop up throughout the area.
Back to Top
NickForder View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Location: Bolton
Status: Offline
Points: 1369
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 08:03
I was just thinking that if the ORs came from the EEF (Egypt) it might be worth looking at the appendices for the 14 Squadron series of articles.
Back to Top
ROBPUGH View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Location: Worcestershire
Status: Offline
Points: 172
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ROBPUGH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2015 at 22:54
Name Rank No. Trade Unit from Unit to Date Notes 1 Notes 2
Dean HG 2/Lieut       31 Sqn 12-Oct-15    
Hughes O 2/Lieut       31 Sqn 12-Oct-15    
Bewsey WS Sgt & FSgt 1499 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Roebuck SA Cpl 2810 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Dudding MC Cpl 679 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
White FE Cpl 2919 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Davis W 2/AM 7698 Officer's Batman 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Walker FR 2/AM 7867 Officer's Batman 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Trimble J 2/AM 7868 Officer's Batman 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Goad M 2/AM 7835 Cook 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bradshaw F 1/AM 3910 Carpenter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Hagger V 2/AM 1551 Coppersmith 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Fraser SF 1/AM 877 Light Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Lewis WF 2/AM 4311 Light Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Deegan J 1/AM 988 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Torley PJ 2/AM 4704 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bennett WJ 2/AM 6983 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Hare WT 1/AM 140 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Thomas CJA 1/AM 1137 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Durban EC 2/AM 6716 Heavy Tender Driver 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Thomas RA 1/AM 2817 Motor Cyclist 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Sayner W 2/AM 4902 Motor Cyclist 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Hall TE 2/AM 7387 Electrician 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Harvey WH 1/AM 968 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bown AJ 1/AM 4429 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date. Also served 114 Sqn.
Berry H 1/AM 2807 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Scraton H 2/AM 4888 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Tidey HG 2/AM 5817 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Fenn J 2/AM 7385 Fitter 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bartlett LW 1/AM 1335 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Millar J 1/AM 4415 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Langridge J 2/AM 4267 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Simmons EG 2/AM 7349 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bennett RS 2/AM 2588 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date. Also served 114 Sqn.
Orme GN 2/AM 3136 Rigger 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Bartlett NL 2/AM 5783 Sailmaker 1 RAS 31 Sqn 19-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Witcher WJ 2/AM 8437 Chauffeur RAP 31 Sqn 15-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Witcher RA 2/AM 7843 Chauffeur RAP 31 Sqn 15-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
McDonald CY Capt       31 Sqn 15-Oct-15    
Cooper C Lieut       31 Sqn 15-Oct-15    
Sherwood WH 2/AM 6691 Wireless Operator RD 31 Sqn 20-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Hawkins JHH 2/AM 6961 Wireless Operator RD 31 Sqn 20-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Webb RJA 2/AM 5951 Wireless Operator RD 31 Sqn 20-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
Dobie AJD 2/AM 8904 Wireless Operator RD 31 Sqn 21-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date. Also served 114 Sqn. Possibly Aden Flight.
MacDonald F 2/AM 7800 Clerk RAP 31 Sqn 23-Oct-15 Proceeded overseas 3 or 5 Dec 1915 and posted to Indian Expeditionary Force "D" from that date.  
                 
Cronyn VP 2/Lieut     22 Sqn 31 Sqn 08-Feb-16    
Crossley WB Capt     22 Sqn 31 Sqn 08-Feb-16    
Harvey WA 2/Lieut     22 Sqn 31 Sqn 08-Feb-16    
Kilgour AW 2/Lieut     22 Sqn 31 Sqn 08-Feb-16    
Mann LJ 2/Lieut     22 Sqn 31 Sqn 31-Jan-16   Aden Flight.
Back to Top
ROBPUGH View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Location: Worcestershire
Status: Offline
Points: 172
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ROBPUGH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2015 at 23:18
Thought you might be interested in the above roll of ‘A’ Flight, 31 Squadron Officers and Men and ‘B’ Flight Officers. A few also served with 114 Squadron. You already know 2Lt LJ Mann served with the Aden Flight, and it is possible 2AM AJD Dobie also served with the Aden Flight. On his Service Record the authority on his posting to another unit appears to state HQ Aden?

The date of posting overseas is not very clear on the Administrative Wing Routine Orders that this information is taken from, which is why I have stated 3 or 5 December 1915.


Edited by ROBPUGH - 06 Oct 2015 at 23:25
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 10.03
Copyright ©2001-2011 Web Wiz Ltd.
Create your own user feedback survey
find us on Facebook Follow us on TwitterGrab our news feed