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    Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 14:05
Other than infantry weapons, I have yet to come across any mention of Turkish 'Archie': what there was, was German.

On a general point of aircraft recognition: it was lousy, on both sides.

If you read the comprehensive 14 Squadron history in the Journal you will note the constant reference to 'Aviatiks', where there were none in theatre. 42nd Div identified everything as a 'Taube'.

More worrying are the claims the RFC made before FA300 was operational in Palestine. Were they shooting down each other, or just the RNAS ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 13:08
One could ask -did it work?- ie did Turkish AA units shoot down many Allied planes or was all the claiming done by German flak-batteries?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 17:39
Makes sense, given the small number of Turkish (as opposed to German) aircrew, and the literacy issue among Ottoman troops.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Morris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 15:22
The picture that I posted is larger than the one in the pdf catalogue but I think that it shows the German original with handwritten Turkish additions, not a reprint in Turkish.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 09:22
Presumably the Arabic version was for distribution in the Ottoman Empire, following the deployment of German aircraft in the Dardanelles and FA300 in Palestine ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeMeech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 07:44
Originally posted by bathang bathang wrote:

 Thanks for the information Morris, that helped alot!  That Arabic version is an oddity! 
   Great site here, I'll be posting some old photos and will stay in tune.
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Hi

That's how Turkish was written before Ataturk changed the 'alphabet' I believe.

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 Thanks for the information Morris, that helped alot!  That Arabic version is an oddity! 
   Great site here, I'll be posting some old photos and will stay in tune.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Morris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 16:44
A quick web search showed the following:

The Aerodrome forum has a post from another purchaser:
“ Flugzeug Abbildungen ausgabe: - A. Fur mannschaften.” Posted 18 Nov 2013.

Naval and Military Press have a modern edition for sale for £9.50.
“A German ‘how to recognise them' guide to 49 German, French, Belgian and British aircraft of the Great War The illustrations show the whole aircraft, as well as the distinctive features of each type.”


Also the site istanbulmuzayede.com, which appears to be a Turkish auction house, had an edition with what look like Arabic annotations for sale for 450 Turkish Lira.
See: istanbulmuzayede.com/31MAYISPDF/03-kitap.pdf
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 12:33
I would guess that it was published in 1915/1916.

It has the Caudron R4 which makes it at least 1915, and doesn't seem include the Camel, SE5 or DH4.

Sub types of the German aircraft should help - is the Albatros a DI, DIII or just B and/or C types ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bathang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 01:38
Thank you Whiskymac & KK,  Here is a list of the pages. They start with German aircraft (single engine to multi/bomber) and several have the same name heading (Albatros) only with different pictures and specs (multi-engine).   The list is as they are printed, in order.
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SSw, Halberstadt, Albatros, Fokker, L.F.G. Roland, A.E.G., Ago, Albatros, Aviatik, D.F.W., L.F.G. Roland, L.B.G., Rumpler, A.E.G., Albatros, Friedrichshafen, Gotha, Rumpler, Osterreichischer Albatros, Osterreichischer Aviatik,  Osterreichischer Brandenburg, Osterreichischer, Wiener Neustadter F.W., Ungarischer Llond,  Osterreichischer Grossflugzeug.
  French/Italian
Morane-Saulnier, Nieuport, Paul Schmitt, Nieuport Bi=moteurs, Caudron R4, Spad (twin), Caproni, Caudron G3, Caudron G4, Voisin, Breguet, Maurice Farman, Farman Freres, Morane- Saulnier, Sopwith, Martinside, Sopwith, Avro, S.E. 1, Bristol, F.E., Henri Farman, Vickers, Bonnier. 

  There are several pages of text as well as some with national insignia.  
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